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<text id=90TT1645>
<title>
June 25, 1990: An Interview With Mandela
</title>
<history>
TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1990
June 25, 1990 Who Gives A Hoot?
</history>
<article>
<source>Time Magazine</source>
<hdr>
NATION, Page 21
An Interview with Mandela
</hdr>
<body>
<p> Q. De Klerk seems to put a great deal of stock in your
leadership. To what extent are you concerned with his political
survival?
</p>
<p> A. We are aware of the problems that he has, especially
from the right wing and possibly from inside his own party as
well. What we have done is to appeal to whites to assist De
Klerk. We are also trying to address the problem of white
opposition to him. Discussions have already been started with
influential sectors in the right wing.
</p>
<p> Q. What contacts has your organization had with the right
wing?
</p>
<p> A. We don't want to go into those details now because these
are very delicate negotiations.
</p>
<p> Q. Can you say which organizations?
</p>
<p> A. We'd rather not. We are dealing with influential
individuals in the right wing. I don't want to go beyond that,
except to say that our intention is to mobilize the entire right
wing to support Mr. De Klerk, to support the peace initiative.
</p>
<p> Q. Any success?
</p>
<p> A. From the meetings that we've had, it seems as if our
message for a peaceful solution is very strong.
</p>
<p> Q. What would be the danger if De Klerk were removed from
the party leadership or ousted in the next election?
</p>
<p> A. I have no doubt that whatever difficulties he has, he
will remain in power. The only danger he must try to avoid is
going back to white voters for any mandate he might like to
have. The right wing in my view is quite strong. I am saying to
him that he should act jointly with us in trying to reach a
negotiated settlement as speedily as possible. Once a nonracial
constitution is introduced, then everybody will have the vote.
He will be assured of the vote of the overwhelming majority of
South Africans. But if he goes for a mandate for whites alone,
he is in danger.
</p>
<p> Q. Why have you not been able to end the fighting in Natal?
</p>
<p> A. If it were a question of conflict between Mangosuthu
Buthelezi's Inkatha [movement] and the A.N.C., we would have
solved this matter long ago. But my problem is the government,
because what is happening in Natal is no longer a clash between
the A.N.C. and Inkatha. The government has taken advantage of
the clash between the two organizations to crush the A.N.C. and
eliminate its membership in Natal. I have asked De Klerk the
simple question, Why has the government failed to suppress that
violence for more than 4 1/2 years, and when almost 4,000 people
have died? And De Klerk has never been able to give me a
satisfactory answer.
</p>
<p> Q. Wouldn't it help if you met with Buthelezi? It is an
important question.
</p>
<p> A. It is not important to us. There are six homeland
leaders in South Africa. We are working with five. What is the
importance of Buthelezi? I don't see it.
</p>
<p>By Scott MacLeod/Rome.
</p>
</body>
</article>
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